Minnesota Marine's case is part of lawsuit against VA

The suicide of Jonathan Schulze is cited in the
class-action suit filed by two national veterans groups.


By KEVIN GILES, Star Tribune
Last update: February 22, 2008 - 9:23 PM
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Jonathan Schulze



A class-action lawsuit filed by two national veterans organizations
accusing the U.S. Veterans Administration of neglecting psychological
fallout from the Iraq and Afghanistan wars cites the suicide of
Minnesota Marine veteran Jonathan Schulze.

Schulze is one of several deceased veterans named in the suit, which
a judge last month allowed to proceed and is headed for a hearing in
U.S. District Court in San Francisco in March. Schulze, 25,
committed suicide in January 2007 in New Prague, Minn., five
days after he allegedly was turned away from the VA hospital
in St. Cloud when seeking psychiatric help.

He had fought in Iraq. Medical records showed that he
suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder.

His father, Jim Schulze of the Stewart, Minn., area, said Friday that
attorneys for Veterans for Common Sense and a second group,
Veterans United for Truth, asked his wife, Marianne, to file a
declaration in support of the case. Marianne Schulze, Jonathan's
stepmother, reviewed her first-person observations of Jonathan's
encounters with the VA, his psychological struggles and his death.


"For some reason, he was denied the emergency care that might
have saved his life," she wrote in the four-page declaration.

VA officials last year denied that Schulze was turned away from
the St. Cloud hospital. An independent investigation by the VA's
Office of the Inspector General said that family allegations were
inconclusive because the hospital had no record of the exchange.

Attempts to contact U.S. Department of Justice attorneys defending
the VA against the class-action suit were unsuccessful. However,
court records show that the VA has argued that it already has
started several new programs to address suicide prevention and that
the suit should be dismissed because the court and veterans groups
shouldn't be intervening in VA policies.

The class-action suit, filed in July, is the first of its kind and
represents from 600,000 to 1.6 million Iraq and Afghanistan war
veterans who have been or will be subject to delays, confusion and
corruption at VA hospitals, said Gordon Erspamer, lead attorney for
Morrison and Foerster, the California firm representing the veterans.
"We're dealing with an agency that's unfortunately in the Dark Ages,"
said Erspamer, a Minnesota native and a graduate of Hamline
University Law School.

Erspamer and attorney Heather Moser said a court order precluded
them from identifying individual family members to protect them
from retribution from the VA.


But Jim Schulze, an Army veteran, said he's not intimidated by
going public. "What are they going to do, send me to Vietnam? Hell,
I've been there three times already," he said. " They didn't take
care of my needs, and they didn't take care of Jon's needs."

Paul Sullivan, a spokesman for Veterans for Common Sense, said
studies show more than 5,000 veteran suicides a year and a tidal
wave of returning war veterans needing mental health treatment.
"What we're trying to do is stop the VA from turning away
suicidal veterans," he said. "We think the situation has reached
a crisis stage."

The class-action suit asks the court to force the VA to conform to
federal laws and the U.S. Constitution by dealing with veterans needs
in a timely and comprehensive manner.

"To my mind we're dealing with a really serious harm," Moser said.
"The Schulzes are certainly not alone in having lost their son and
trying to get the VA to do something."

Kevin Giles • 651-298-1554

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The VA has set up a 24-hour suicide hotline round-the-clock
access to mental health professionals.
The number is 1-800-273-TALK.
To learn more about PTSD--
visit the National Center for PTSD website.
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Flashback, Posttraumatic Stress Disorder, Suicide,
and the Lessions of WAR by Penny Coleman

I Can Still Hear Thier Cries, Even In My Sleep
...A Journey Into PTSD By E. Everett McFall
Both Books are Available on Amazon.com

PTSD, A PRIVATE BATTLE

This is becoming an all-too frequent account of our
retuning combat Vetreans.

SPECIAL REPORT

The Private Battle, Part 3 of Dennis and Mikell Delisle
By Darren Perron - WCAX News

Franklin, Vermont - February 7, 2008

"An IED went off and come up through the floorboard of the truck,"
recounts Dennis Delisle.


Delisle doesn't talk about his experience in Iraq much. But when
he does, it's clear the war veteran suffers from invisible wounds
in addition to the shrapnel in his groin and hearing loss following
a roadside bomb attack.

"We had one soldier... his truck was blown up off the bridge. It
engulfed in flames and he burned to death," says Delisle.

Delisle suffers from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. He's been
suicidal, homicidal, and is struggling to transition back into his
life at home. "As it goes on, you hide and it gets worse," he
explains.

PTSD has been tough on his family, too. His wife, Mikell, lost her
hair after stress triggered a condition called Alopecia. Dennis can't
hold down a job. And the couple is losing their home in Franklin
because they're so behind on their bills.

Mikell Delisle

The Flashbacks, sleepless nights due to those sub-concious
nightmares, the frustration of Survivers Guilt> "It's too
much for them. They shouldn't have to deal with that when
they comehome," says Mikell Delisle.

The rates of PTSD are at record levels, with more Iraq War vets
diagnosed than vets from any other war in American history.
Though experts say the illness is nothing new.

Once called Vietnam syndrome, shell shock, or battle fatigue,
PTSD was officially recognized in 1980. With increased
awareness and treatment options more soldiers now come
forward, acknowledging their symptoms and adding to the
number of reports.
(Despite the service-wide stigma attached to having PTSD.)

Most are National Guard soldiers. It's estimated that
half of all of them returning from the Middle East suffer
from PTSD and Traumatic Brain Injuries.

And that number is expected to grow with repeated deployments.
"The cost of war is a lot more than most people think it is," says
Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vermont. "It's not just the tanks, the
weapons and the bombs. It's not just those who come home in
caskets or the funerals.

It's not just those who lose their legs and arms. We can see that.
There is an invisible cost of war." Sanders helped secure
federal funds for the Veterans and Families Outreach Program--
a first-of-its-kind project that other states are closely watching.

"Our job mainly is to contact soldiers," explains Vt. National
Guard Outreach Team Leader James MacIntyre. Nine trained
outreach workers plan to interview all 2,662 Vermonters who
served in the Middle East and their families to see how they're
doing and get them into the right programs quickly. When dealing
with PTSD early intervention is crucial.

"We're convinced if people are contacted we unearth things that
could grow bigger, but you get them. Get them to an appointment.
Get them into financial resources, family counseling resources and
that's all going to make a big difference," says MacIntyre.

There are several treatments for PTSD, including individual and
group counseling, and cognitive behavioral therapy, which experts
say is proving most powerful. Soldiers confront their traumatic
memories and learn how to cope with them. Sufferers usually take
anti-depressants which also help with anxiety disorders, like PTSD.
Some soldiers can be cured; for others, PTSD will be a life-long battle.

Symptoms of PTSD may not show up for years. Now the VA has
extended its eligibility for free health care to five years after service
and it includes treatment for PTSD.


Dr. Matthew Friedman

"If left untreated, PTSD can have terrible consequences and people
are gonna be alone and homeless," explains Dr. Matthew Friedman
of the National Center for PTSD. "We want to really prevent the
newer veterans from going through the same cycle of alienation that
older veterans have gone through."

Medication and counseling continue to help Delisle-- who hopes to
win his private battle. "My treatment is working. Hopefully, I can
keep a job," he says. "Now we find another home and start all over."

At least three Vermonters who served in Iraq have committed
suicide since they returned from the war zone.
The VA has set up a 24-hour suicide hotline
round-the-clock access to mental health professionals.
The number is 1-800-273-TALK.

To learn more about PTSD-- visit the
National Center for PTSD website.
Private Battle, Part 1
Private Battle, Part 2

Flashback, Posttraumatic Stress Disorder, Suicide, and the Lessions of WAR
by Penny Coleman

I Can Still Hear Thier Cries, Even In My Sleep...A Journey Into PTSD
By E. Everett McFall
Both Books are Available on Amazon.com

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Seeking Out Support for Your PTSD
Thursday February 7, 2008

It has constantly been found that having social support can play
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support.


There are several important pieces to a supportive relationship
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effects of a traumatic experience. Read on to learn more about some
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What not to say to returning vets...
"Time heals all wounds". If you've got returning troops coming into
your family, community or church, this is one cliché you will want to
stay away from. In fact you may want to stay away from alot of clichés.
Instead let your veteran know that you care, you don't know what
they are going through, but you do want to help.


They may have PTSD which means they might feel angry, confused,
embarrassed, depressed, anxious, drinking or worse, avoiding old
friends, family and hangouts. But you can't know that unless you stop,
take the time to ask AND listen!
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The Toll - 2/3/08 - Conditions Not So Super in Iraq

Violence is rising in Iraq along with the power of the
Taliban in Afghanistan. Conditions are not as
favorable as the commander-in-chief reported last week.

Also, our returning heroes with brain injuries may be
more treatable than previously thought.
But they need to be treated.

By Dave McGill
February 03, 2008 03:25 PM EST

Yes, as "Super Tuesday" approaches, following "Super Sunday,"
conditions may not be so super in Iraq. Violence is on the increase
for both our military and civilians.

Last week, the Department of Defense released the obituaries of
12 military personnel killed in that country, ranging in age from
19 to 41. Ten of the deaths were caused by (IED's) improvised
explosive devices, including five soldiers killed on Monday when
a roadside bomb blew up their combat vehicle in an ambush that
took place in Mosul, north of Baghdad.

According to the web site www.icasualties.org, U.S. deaths
in Iraq now stand at 3,944, including one whose family is being
notified today.

The Department of Defense also released the obituary of one
29-year-old Army soldier killed in Afghanistan who may have
been shot by an Afghan guard, mistaking him for an enemy
combatant.

Total U.S. deaths in Afghanistan were 415 as of January 26,
according to the Pentagon. The New England Journal of medicine
has just released its study of soldiers that have experienced brain
injuries. According to the report, such common symptoms as sleep
disturbances, memory loss and irritability are generally the result
of post traumatic stress disorders (PTSD's), which are treatable,
as opposed to traumatic brain injuries (TBI's), for which
there are no treatments.

These conclusions are favorable for our returning war veterans
provided only that they are afforded a level of follow-up
treatment commensurate with the sacrifices that they made to
the war effort.

And, at this point, it cannot be said that our returning heroes are
receiving an adequate level of care. In too many instances,
veterans with head trauma are being medically discharged and
largely lost track of until their internal time bombs explode with
dire consequences for themselves and those around them.

As for Iraq, today's edition of the Washington Post carries a story
in which Major General Jeffrey W. Hammond, a commander in
Baghdad, describes the Iraq campaign by U.S. forces as being
three separate but related wars.

The first is against the group known as al-Qaeda in Iraq, the
second is against the domestic Sunni insurgency, and the third,
described as being the most vexing, is against Shiite extremist militias.

A fourth group, the Baathists, being those who previously belonged
to Hussein's party, are simply living in a constant state of fear of the
other groups, according to today's LA Times, as they watch their
fellow members being routinely killed and beheaded.

Meanwhile, a degree of apparent confusion seems to exist
among some of our military leaders. Certain commanders in Iraq
had been quoted as saying that the reductions in troops would pause
come summer, but, according to yesterday's LA Times, the chairman
of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said Friday that no such decision had
been made.

The Times reported that senior Bush administration officials had
privately acknowledged the existence of tensions between the
Pentagon and our field commanders in Iraq leading up to next
month's planned recommendations to the White House and Congress.

For the civilians in Iraq and particularly those in Baghdad,
violence has risen to its highest level in months. Coordinated
suicide bombing in two popular pet markets on Friday, killed
at least 99 people and wounded 208, according to Iraqi police.
Pet markets are generally magnets for families with children.

Senior American military officials revealed on Saturday that
the suicide bombers, both of whom were women, showed signs
of Down syndrome, suggesting that the insurgents may be
having trouble recruiting men, if not any sane people, to do the job.

A witness to the carnage told the L.A. Times that security for the
area was the responsibility of a U.S.-organized brigade that
managed the checkpoints. He charged that the group allowed
the attacks to take place.

"It's an excuse for the U.S. to stay and declare that the
Iraqis are still not capable of taking care of our country,"
he said. "Each time we think the situation has gotten better,
it deteriorates further."
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A PEACE WITHIN , part 2

It's not all in your head

(c) by TK Rosevear January 09, 2008

It has been my experience that nightmares are teaching dreams or your inner self and fears trying to get your attention towards clarity and insight, depending upon how you identify, define and surrender or embrace the symbolic workings of the messages of 'subconscious' thoughts, beliefs or fears.

Our bodies respond to stress emotionally, as perceived danger and/or physically, as an extreme temperature change or exertion as: our muscles contract to fortifying and protecting the body; our metabolism speeds up to provide 'fight or flight' strength or energy. This will cause increasing heart rates and blood pressure; our rate of breathing increases to provide oxygen to 'fight or flight'; our digestion shuts down diverting blood and energy to large muscles needed for fighting or running; our pupils dilate to aid vision and our hearing is heightened.

Our bodily functions urge us to urinate and move the bowels, reducing the danger of abdominal infection if injury should occur; our arteries in the arms and legs constrict, so less blood will be lost if we are injured; and, our blood clots quicker, so we'll lose less blood if we're wounded. [WoW!] (3)

Our nervous system is somewhat overlooked in the typical diagnosis and treatment of PTSD, and the nerves are definitely part of the system that conveys impulses between the mind (brain) and body, it also reflective of strength, vigor and/or courage. A nerve impulse is defined as a progressive wave of electrical and chemical activity which stimulates or inhibits bodily function; Much like the similar sounding word 'Nirvana' which is a state of mind or place characterized by freedom from or oblivion to pain, worry, and the external world influence.

Our nerves are the center of our ability to experience beyond memories and senses. They are also representative of our communication and its receptivity's ability: when it breaks down, we're jamming the channels with self-centeredness guilt, self-pity and inferiority; when nervousness is our inability to trust the process of life!

Being anxious, struggling through and/or rushing time. The 'life lesson' or common denominator amongst PTSD clientele, is associated with this intricate, complex human network of 'nerve' and how we perceive tangible things, beliefs and ideas as we move beyond rationalizing, to the potential connection to a higher consciousness or insight.

Rationalizing forces us to abide by a set of rules that becomes increasingly limiting and isolates us from our imagination, while an intuitive hones their skills, knowing the difference between theory and practice ? like we don't just 'live by the book' but trust our instincts to supply us with unique and telling insight.

The possibilities of shadow or dysfunction for this 'life lesson' in balance would be neurological disturbances, poor vision, headaches, nightmares, learning difficulties and hallucinations, as are suffering from the imbalanced behaviors of arrogance, dogma, highly logical and authoritative, yet undisciplined, low goal oriented, and afraid of success scenarios in actions and communication. (3)

Balancing the nervous system takes practice and determination, without chemical alterations, and achieving this balance rewards us with being charismatic, highly intuitive, not attached to material things and the possibilities of experiencing unusual phenomena.

When painful, traumatic, adverse and/or negative experiences befall us, we tend to only see the negative sides more than the positivity in reasoning towards the nature of our senses, the nervous system, and the brain being beneficial tools, blessings, lessons, gifts and service of these painful and traumatic experiences.

The healing journey consists of discovering and embracing these balancing sides, so the larger picture is revealed not masked, to containing the 'gift of the wound', a piece to the puzzle of the meaning and purpose of our lives. (3)

The reasoning behind writing this article is somewhat cathartic, as it also revealing to my own personal experiences from childhood, adulthood and my choices to the services of counsel for PTSD, as well as nutrition as it has played a significant role in the healing of the nervous system, so vitally important in the healing process.

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A PEACE WITHIN , part 1

A PEACE WITHIN

by TK Rosevear
January 09, 2008 04:38 PM EST

Initially, the intentions of this article were simply to lead into a book review for one of our own here on Gather.com that I had the privilege of reading. E. Everett Mc Fall wrote a poetic journey and brief narrative about his own struggles with the 'demons' of PTSD, from his military experience in Vietnam.

As I began researching further, I have to say that if I were questioned by a psychologist today, I would most likely be diagnosed with some type of anxiety disorder, quite simply from my distressing findings. Please note that if you are currently taking any of the below mentioned medications for the diagnosis discussed or something else, it would be in your best healthy interests to discuss it with your doctor ? seriously.

PTSD defined
Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) is defined clinically in the Merck Manual (the world's most widely used medical reference) as an anxiety disorder caused by the exposure to an overwhelming traumatic event, in which the person later repeatedly reexperiences the event. These experiences are considered to threaten death or serious injury that can affect people long after the actual occurrence has been experienced; an intense fear, helplessness, or horror that can haunt a person's beliefs, thoughts and behaviors negatively.

Traumatic events may involve having been threatened with death or serious injury or witnessing violence against another person. Clinical examples include engaging in military combat, experiencing or witnessing sexual or physical assault, or being affected by a disaster, either natural or man-made. A delayed onset of PTSD symptoms may take months, years, and even decades to appear. A diagnosis of concurrent symptoms for 3 months consecutively is considered as a chronic affliction with PTSD. This manual also concludes that this disorder affects at least 8% of the people at sometime during their life with the symptoms of re-experiencing repeatedly, usually in nightmares or flashbacks. (1)

In lieu of 9/11 events, in 2001, I would venture to say those percentages have risen considerably. The Merck manual continues its definition of symptoms to PTSD, as an intense distress that often occurs when the person is 'triggered' or exposed to an event, situation, even conversation. Even with persistently avoiding things and people that may remind us of the trauma. We will attempt to avoid thoughts, feelings/emotions, and talking about the traumatic event, also trying to avoid situations or people who serve as reminders.

Avoidance may lead to amnesia and/or a numbing or deadening of emotional responsiveness, as well as the tendency to being overly sensitized to relaxation or stimulation (difficult to fall asleep/easily startled). They go on to say that symptoms of depression are also common, as is losing interest in previously enjoyed activities. Feelings of guilt, whether "survivor's guilt", 'why me' guilt, or the guilt associated with being deserving of the trauma. (1)

The most common treatment for PTSD is drug therapy, like Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRI's), Tricylic Antidepressants, and Monoamine Oxidase Inhibitors (MAOI's), to be accompanied by psychotherapy and counseling. (1)

Psychologists and sleep experts still debate and disagree whether dreams/nightmares reflect emotional turbulence, though they continue to insist that brain waves are activities the sleeping brain randomly choreographs into a plot. While others argue to seeing the repressed fears, desires, symbolic solutions, even ancient archetypal patterns.

Nightmares are considered like anxiety attacks while dreaming with the side effects of losing sleep, raising blood pressure and heart rate and other 'fight or flight' responses. Sleep terrors are not dreaming nightmares, it is more akin to sleep walking as these both occur in the deep stages of nondream sleep and the person usually doesn't awaken and can even be difficult to rouse. Night sweats are emotions and stresses carried to bed, quite common with sleep disorders like sleepwalking, nightmares, apnea and insomnia.

The rising pulse, blood pressure, body temperature and adrenaline levels prior to bedtime with food, spices, alcohol, television and tobacco, can literally guarantee igniting night sweats later. (2)

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BURY ME NEXT TO A MARINE

BURY ME NEXT TO A MARINE, WHEN MY TIME HAS COME

TO AN END, SO I SPEND ETERNITY, BESIDE MY BROTHER

AND FRIEND. I’VE SERVED BESIDE THEM FOR YEARS AND

THEY’VE INSPIRED ME EVERY DAY. THEY’VE NEVER ASKED

FOR ANYTHING, SO A DEBT I CAN NEVER REPAY. NONE OF

THEM SERVED FOR GLORY, NONE FOR MONEY OR FAME.

BUT THEY’VE SERVED IN EVERYTIME AND PLACE, HERO'S

WITH BUT ONE NAME. NO ONE WILL OUTDO THEM, THEIR

HONOR IS NEVER OUTDONE. THEY WILL ALL GO DOWN IN

HISTORY,AS AMERICA’S FAVORITE SONS. MARINES WILL

NEVER FAIL YOU, AND THEIR GUARD WILL NEVER CEASE.

PLEASE BURY ME NEXT TO A MARINE,

SO I MAY REST IN PEACE….

HM2 ( FMF ) ROBERT L. OWENS AUGUST 31, 2007

Thanks Ken "Doc" Coleman

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MS-13 Gang Desecrates Veterans Memorial, New Haven

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MS-13 Gang Desecrates Veterans Memorial, New Haven CT
By Donald H.
January 06, 2008 12:01 PM EST

Mara Salvatrucha 13 (MS-13) gang, which is the main importer of illegal aliens, meth, and cocaine into the United States has vandalized a veteran's memorial in New Haven, CT.

You may remember that New Haven, CT has given illegal immigrants ID cards and that ALIPAC made the national press by making fliers encouraging illegal’s to go to New Haven, CT.

It appears that MS13 has set up shop in New Haven, to import illegal aliens and service them with documents, drugs, prostitutes, etc...Where are our elected officials and those who swore to defend and PROTECT?

Many of us wonder why the Southern Poverty Law Center and Anti-Defamation League (ADL) refuse to declare the murderous MS-13 as a hate group, since they are killing black and white Americans for racist reasons.

This is the kind of thing you can expect more of when our Mayor’s and city council members welcome illegal aliens, foster illegal immigration rights, thus permitting the drug dealing gangs to thrive uncontrolled in America.

Please watch, comment if you want to, forward the You Tube links for these video’s to all of your contacts.

MS-13 Gang Desecrates Veterans Memorial, New Haven
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1U854PyaQS0

MS 13
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_UO_FgG4IE&NR=1

MS 13 Gang Doco. Epi. 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBzu3mOFOvo&NR=1
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Old Man and The Marine

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Old Man and The Marine

By Donald H.
January 05, 2008 06:44 PM EST

One sunny day in 2008, an old man approached the
White House from across Pennsylvania Avenue where
he'd been sitting on a park bench. He spoke to the
Marine standing guard and said, "I would like to go in
and meet with President Hillary Clinton.

"The Marine replied, "Sir, Mrs. Clinton is not the President
and doesn't reside here." The old man said, "Okay," and
walked away.

The following day, the same man approached the White
House and said to the same Marine, "I would like to go
in and meet with President Hillary Clinton".

The Marine again told the man, "Sir, as I said yesterday,
Mrs. Clinton is not the President and doesn't reside here.
"The man thanked him and again walked away..

The third day, the same man approached the White House
and spoke to the very same Marine, saying "I would like to
go in and meet with President Hillary Clinton."

The Marine, understandably agitated at this point , looked
at the man and said, "Sir, this is the third day in a row you
have been here asking to speak to Mrs. Clinton.

I've told you already several times that Mrs. Clinton is not
the President and doesn't reside here. Don't you understand?"

The old man answered, "Oh, I understand you fine, I just
love hearing your answer!" The Marine snapped to attention,
saluted, and said, "See you tomorrow."
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The Death Toll Gets Higher Daily

(captions):
#1- The Death Toll Gets Higher Daily, A Price TOO HIGH...
#2- "You're home now Marine, You paid the price,
They Will Wait"...and they did, patiently!



Visitors;
Please take the time to offer up this short prayer for our fallen:
Marines, Soldiers, Naval and Air Force warriors.
Remind others to do the same. Thank you.


"Lord, hold our troops in your loving hands.

Protect them as they protect us.

Bless them and their families for the selfless acts that

they perform for us in our time of need.

Please bring them back home safely to their friends and loving families.

Amen."

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